used that obamacare is failing. but if you have a system where, yes, premiums went up, but also enrollees, enrollment went up, too, that's not the definition of a failing system. >> well, in fact, the number of individuals who actually got coverage through the exchange, who didn't have coverage before or who weren't eligible for medicaid before is relatively small. so it turned things upside down completely for three or four or five million individuals. what's happened is that premiums didn't go down as the previous president promised. they lost the coverage they had. they have lost the ability to see the doctors or the provider that they wanted to see. so we need to move in a direction again that respects the principals of accessibility for all, affordability for all, quality and choices for pare patients. >> let's go to the affordability aspect. first of all, can you say for certain that once this bill is passed, nobody, nobody will be worse off financially when it comes to paying for health care?